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Quote From: Quentin L. Cook

October 9th, 2012 Apostasy, Doctrine, Quentin L. Cook 41 Comments

Some have immersed themselves in internet materials that magnify, exaggerate, and in some cases invent shortcomings of early church leaders. Then they draw incorrect conclusions that can affect testimony. Any who have made these choices can repent and be spiritually renewed.
Elder Quentin L. Cook, General Conference, October 2012

Watch his whole talk here on LDS.org »

  • http://jonnotie.nl/ Jonno Riekwel

    Yeah, let’s listen to propaganda instead.

  • Spencer

    Because research is a terrible thing…..

  • Xech

    Run from that fruit of knowledge! Eden is ignorance!

  • http://twitter.com/straponheart abysmal

    He says to repent, but what exactly are we to repent of? What sin does one commit by researching about the history of the church, even if it were ‘exaggerated’.

    Instead of trying to prove how these “internet materials” (mostly derived from the Church’s own records) are wrong and address them with logic, the church now asserts that inquisitiveness itself is a sin. Perhaps this is because they are aware just how valid they are.

    • http://www.facebook.com/srlowther Steve Lowther

      You nailed it! Historically institutions in a bid to exercise their power over their subjects will persecute the intellectuals like the LDS September Six, and Galileo. The September Six were not persecuted because of dishonesty or deceit, but because they exposed!

  • Ammoman23

    The problem here is that the church has no correction for the negative things that are simply available on the internet; it’s just wrong. Maybe it’s not learning that is the sin; maybe it’s the history that we’re learning about that is the sin. After all, this is a multi trillion dollar corporation. We can’t have people making informed decisions. One info source, that’s enough.

  • uglytruth

    I have been told the white washed church history MY ENTIRE LIFE. It’s fair to take ten minutes to see another side of it. You know, taking that ten minutes spared the rest of my life living in spiritual agony because I felt unworthy, the funny thing is, that if I had been taught the true version my whole life I wouldn’t have left. I would have stayed because if a religious organization was that truthful, well then they must be telling the truth in all things. Educate yourselves. It doesn’t matter if you stay in the church or leave it. Learn the whole story.

  • Mark Hill

    It pains me that some faithful members are going to read these negative comments, and believe that these people must have “sinned” their way out of the church, or they became offended. Hey you! Right there! Yes….YOU! Please take the time to research the church and read true, factual, unbiased history of the church and find out for yourself. If it is true, it should stand up beyond reasoning. God gave you a brain, use it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joebbowers Joe Bowers

      God didn’t give anyone a brain because God doesn’t exist. Nature gave you a brain, use it.

      • Your not-so-average Mormon

        why the fuck are you even looking at this site? if you don’t believe in a god, then you can’t be honestly looking for truth on a site that bashes the people of the mormon religion, can you? or are all atheists that mentally handicapped?

        • http://www.facebook.com/srlowther Steve Lowther

          People who believe in God can absolutely benefit from this site. You are speaking from a hijacked amygdala rather than your neocortex. Calm down and use logic, Not-so-average Mormon.

    • This website is bullshit.

      there is no such thing as unbiased history when it comes to religion though. its either written by someone who hates the church and wants to make us look like idiots and make it look like our church wants us to hide in the dark and pretend that we are perfect, or it is written by someone from the church who feels like Mormons have been picked on so everything they say is exaggerated. There is no one out there who has mutual feelings for the church. and if there is they don’t care enough to write about it. im an inactive Mormon who sees both sides of the stories. people believe we think we are better than everyone else and there are thousands of Mormons who really feel that way and try to force the religion on others, while there are also thousands of us who believe in the teachings of the church but keep it to ourselves and don’t patronize others for their beliefs. i know how dumb people think we are for believing in what we do but i don’t sit there and try to convince others that your religion is bullshit and mine is the only one that knows the truth. i think people need to either learn about what we believe in before they go and say we are sexist homophobes with 9 wives or they need to shut the fuck up and keep to themselves.

      • http://www.facebook.com/srlowther Steve Lowther

        Really? Then perhaps it is the duty of those investigating to uncover that bias. Let me give you an example via a challenge: Tell me why LDS President John Taylor wasn’t lying through his teeth when he said this to his Protestant Minister debate opponent. Note that he was quoting from (gasp!) the currently published version of Doctrine and Covenants that at the time condemned polygamy unequivocally:

        “We are accused here of polygamy,… and actions the most indelicate, obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved heart could have contrived. These things are too outrageous to admit of belief;… I shall content myself by reading our views of chastity and marriage, from a work published by us containing some of the articles of our Faith. ‘Doctrine and Covenants,’ page 330… Inasmuch as this Church of Jesus Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication and polygamy, we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife, and one woman but one husband, except in the case of death,…”‘ (A tract published by John Taylor in 1850, page 8; found in Orson Pratt’s Works, 1851 edition)

        In 1850, John Taylor had married twelve polygamous wives. The following is a list of those wives and children they eventually bore him:

        Leonora Cannon, md 1833, 4 children
        Elizabeth Kaighin, md 1843, 3 children
        Jane Ballantyne, md 1844, 3 children
        Anna Ballantyne (Allen), md 1844, separated 1845, divorced 1852
        Mary A. Oakley, md 1845, 5 children
        Mary A. Utley, md 1846
        Mary Ramsbottom, md 1846
        Sarah Thornton (Coleman) md 1846, div 1852
        Lydia Dible (Granger Smith), md 1846
        Ann Hughlings (Pitchforth), md 1846
        Sophia Whittaker, md 1847, 8 children
        Harriet Whittaker, md 1847, 3 children

        :

        • KellyR

          I like you.

          • Runtochrist

            Me too….”you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you FREE”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1197391801 Amy Pitt Bjorge

    ROFLMAO. Offer declined.

    • Steve Lowther

      Amy Pitt Bjorge, it does seem that your “Rolling on the floor laughing your ass off” pretty much sums up the typical denial mechanism the Church teaches you to have. The truth is there; mountains of evidence illustrate way beyond any doubt that the Church is fraudulent, but you simply do not have the motivation to investigate painful truths. The Mormon Denial Mechanism (MDM) is very powerful, and often presents itself as derision. Your response if very typical.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9260 Avi Matalon

    LDS is a mad and evil cult

    • This website is bullshit.

      why do you care what the beliefs of others are? we aren’t trying to control anyone else. if you shut the fuck up and actually did research about the lds church you would find that polygamy ended a long time ago, we arent a bunch of racist sexist gaybashers, and that the church isnt filled with a bunch of freaks doing rituals and chanting. pull your head out of your ass and open a fucking book instead of getting all of your information from an anti-mormon website that only takes partial quotes out of context. “god gave you a brain, USE IT”

      • http://www.facebook.com/srlowther Steve Lowther

        Obedience! The Church is always preaching obedience to its leaders. Over and over, the lessons are about some kind of obedience. So you aren’t trying to control anyone? Pathetic.

        • Rupert

          No opinions matter on this site.

          • Steve Lowther

            Why? Doesn’t yours?

        • Runtochrist

          LDS do not understand how every facet of their life is being controlled. Now they are not allowed to go on the internet, read certain books, go to certain movies, have friends that left the LDS church. Some persons need to be told what to do in their life, who is acceptable marriage material,where to get married, when to eat, to give up two years of their youth to solicit for the LDS church, and last but not least to pay ten percent gross so they can build malls. Very sad is the mindset of persons who are afraid of their own thoughts and feelings. LDS church uses the same tactic as North Korea, information control. They encourage the members to pay tithing above rent, food etc. Tithing first. It’s all about main ting full control of time, thought, and money.

    • Runtochrist

      Ditto.

  • Seamus McFlippant

    I’m pretty sure that kid is masturbating and not researching truths or half-truths about the LDS “church” in that picture. I mean, c’mon, look at him.

  • JHewson

    The problem with this teaching is that it tries to pull the curtain back around people’s eyes by making the issue about failings with church leaders personally. A failing on a personal level with somebody does not disprove anything he has to say. As the old adage states, “even a broken clock is right twice a day”. So that’s not the issue here.

    The issue is failings with doctrine, inconsistency of doctrine, and outright falsity of doctrine, which are well supported by multiple facts and evidences, particular from the mouths of the church leaders themselves.

    So saying that “some internet materials…magnify, exaggerate, and in some cases invent shortcomings of early church leaders” is true. It’s also irrelevant.

    • Runtochrist

      Don’t just repeat what some old man told you. Information control is a strategy to keep you in a closed system. This is not personal attacks, as your leader implies. This is truth. Do you know of the kinder hook plates? Js jr could not translate them, but he pretended to do so. He was proven a false prophet simply because not one if his prophecies came to pass. Christ was supposed to come in his lifetime. His son was supposed to be the next prophet. There was supposed to be a temple at far west. Read,learn, educate yourself. http://www.cesletter.com/Letter-to-a-CES-Director.pdf.”.information is being withheld by your leaders.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Kennelmouth Joshua Allen

    If you ever want a lesson in materials that “magnify, exaggerate, and…invent” information about the early church and it’s leaders, one need only visit the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in Salt Lake and see their movie “Prophet of the Restoration.” I can PROMISE you that you have never seen a more blatant or shameless whitewash of what is pretty well-documented history.

  • Suspicious Minds

    It is wrong to question, even if the questioning is true.

    • Steve Lowther

      Why?

  • Hey abysmal, fuck off

    Repentance should come after choosing to believe in something so ridiculously exaggerated for your own benefit. If you honestly believe that some of these “invented shortcomings” are what they say they are, without any second opinion especially from those within the Mormon church, then you also are in need of apologizing to God for misusing the mind he gave you for idiotic self-serving purposes.

    • Steve Lowther

      I would be very interested to hear your description of these “invented shortcomings”. or/and why they are not invented shortcomings.

      I think the Mormon Scotoma is its elitism. Mormons are Mormon because they hold higher standards than everyone else and are therefore part of the faithful elite. Except many of these “standards” are flawed and Mormon culture is slow to jettison the barbaric vestiges of western culture. They were slow to condemn slavery, to abandon misogynistic standards of control, and now are still very slow to jettison their homophobia, protesting that somehow heterosexual marriage is in jeopardy if homosexuals are allowed to join their club.

      I question whether it is as it claims: an institution restored by God. I don’t think God would be trying to drag His mighty feet jettisoning racism.

      It took until 1978 for it to correct this unfortunate flaw.

      When will it correct its homophobia?
      I think, however, it is very slowly coming around to women’s rights.

      Yet, when it is a big deal for women to wear pants lest it cause upset, you know they have to be grateful for the amount of control they do have in their lives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Knapp/742315428 Shaun Knapp

    Lame. Way lame website!

    What marvels could be accomplished if the energies put into a site like this were to go target the Butchers of the Bill of Rights in Washington D.C.? What marvels could transpire were the good web design and energies used to target the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Banking complex with its “darker side” to empire holding a “grim and tragic overlay of brutal conquest, subjugation, repression, and an astronomical cost in blood and treasure.” (Hinckley, “War and Peace,” 2003.)?

    At first it wasn’t clear what I was looking at, but then the site reveals itself to be one holding that ever pompous, arrogant, self-righteous and stereotypical person who is now so “enlightened” so as to heap scorn, ridicule, and derision on the faith of their upbringing. That is all well and good. Everyone has their issues, but man, it is tired as a theme or a spirit that is associated with those who constantly keep the LDS Church in their cross hairs, ever nit picking, ever agitated, constantly seeking to take a shot at the church and its leadership. I’ve got some good friends within those ranks, and they are sweet people in many ways, but their spirit on this theme is indeed tiresome. loathsome, and reeks of a putrid malcontent that serves little if any good.

    Incidentally, I came across the site looking for photographs of the LDS Church First Presidency who made this superb statement:

    “We believe that our real threat comes from within and not from without, and it comes from the underlying spirit common to Naziism, Fascism, and Communism, namely, the spirit which would array class against class, which would set up a socialistic state of some sort, which would rob the people of the liberties which we possess under the Constitution, and would set up such a reign of terror as exists now in many parts of Europe. We confess to you that it has not been possible for us to unify our own people even upon the necessity of such a turning about, and therefore we cannot unfortunately, and we say it regretfully, make any practical suggestion to you as to how the nation can be turned about. Faithfully yours, /s/ Heber J. Grant, J. Reuben Clark, Jr., David O. McKay. (First Presidency letter to U.S. Treasury, September 30, 1941 AD)

    I would love to see “teachings” like this put out by the makers of this website, and perhaps a good attempt to help wake up the LDS people to the fact they have mentally stoned their living prophets now for generations.

    But rather than hit Babylon the Great Whore with any agitation, revealing her dark and wicked deeds as an evil police state rises, it seems there are those who “leave the church” but “can’t leave the church alone.” These “criticize the allocation of funds to which they no longer contribute.”

    Do some have real issues? Causes for greif? Offense given? Do some suffer deep resentment and hurt? Oh yeah. I’m not negating that fact. The Lord himself has reason for greif that so few are open to right thinking, truth and goodness, that those professing to be Latter-day Saints have not even been willing to know, comprehend, and understand the criminal elements rising against us on all sides, and certainly rejecting prophetic warning about such.

    I wonder how many close to the church itself and centered around its headquarters will be part of that murderous Judas element that will aid in the coming bloodbath that will surely take place unless there is a drastic turning about?

    President Benson cites President J. Reuben Clark’s warning that, “’we stand in danger of losing our liberties, and that once lost, only blood will bring them back; and once lost, we of this church will, in order to keep the Church going forward, have more sacrifices to make and more persecutions to endure than we have yet known. . . .’ (CR, April 1944, p. 116.) He also stated that if the conspiracy ‘comes here it will probably come in its full vigor and there will be a lot of vacant places among those who guide and direct, not only this government, but also this Church of ours.’ (CR, April 1952, p. 80.) (Conference Report, April 1972, Ensign, July 1972, p. 61; as quoted in God, Family, Country, p. 323; quoted also in The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 107; again on pp. 658-659.)

    To each his own. Surely, though, amid all that we face as society, it is my opinion that the talented creators of this site are selling themselves short on productivity and making a better contribution if they could be convinced of much weightier matters than the trite points of complaint or criticism found on these pages.

    • http://www.facebook.com/srlowther Steve Lowther

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      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Knapp/742315428 Shaun Knapp

        Lame response. Give me something of substance at least to grapple with!

        • Steve Lowther

          You seem to think you can dictate what is important to others, Shaun. Your approach is condescending rather than addressing the important issues that an organization like the LDS Church is fraudulent. My response is a reflection of yours as this whole site is of substance, yet you dismiss it.

          I earlier posted something of substance you ignored. But I will post it again, but I have little doubt you will reply to it with the attention it deserves:

          So Shaun, tell me why LDS President John Taylor wasn’t lying through his teeth
          when he said this to his Protestant Minister debate opponent. Note that
          he was quoting from (gasp!) the currently published version of Doctrine
          and Covenants that at the time condemned polygamy unequivocally:

          “We are accused here of polygamy,… and actions the most indelicate,
          obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved
          heart could have contrived. These things are too outrageous to admit of
          belief;… I shall content myself by reading our views of chastity and
          marriage, from a work published by us containing some of the articles of
          our Faith. ‘Doctrine and Covenants,’ page 330… Inasmuch as this
          Church of Jesus Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication
          and polygamy, we declare that we believe that one man should have one
          wife, and one woman but one husband, except in the case of death,…”‘
          (A tract published by John Taylor in 1850, page 8; found in Orson
          Pratt’s Works, 1851 edition)

          In 1850, John Taylor had married twelve polygamous wives. The
          following is a list of those wives and children they eventually bore
          him:

          Leonora Cannon, md 1833, 4 children
          Elizabeth Kaighin, md 1843, 3 children
          Jane Ballantyne, md 1844, 3 children
          Anna Ballantyne (Allen), md 1844, separated 1845, divorced 1852
          Mary A. Oakley, md 1845, 5 children
          Mary A. Utley, md 1846
          Mary Ramsbottom, md 1846
          Sarah Thornton (Coleman) md 1846, div 1852
          Lydia Dible (Granger Smith), md 1846
          Ann Hughlings (Pitchforth), md 1846
          Sophia Whittaker, md 1847, 8 children
          Harriet Whittaker, md 1847, 3 children

        • Runtochrist

          http://www.cesletter.com/Letter-to-a-CES-Director.pdf.. Here is 80 plus pages of withheld information, bad information etc. Grapple with it. Js jr did not translate kinder hook plates or book of Abraham. He had no ability to translate, just stuck his head in a hat. Learn the truth.

  • 769900

    Many of the materials revealed on the Internet are accurate and uncompromising about shortcomings of many of the early church leaders. Much material distributed in books, pamphlets, and church meetings were magnified, exaggerated, and invented to excuse those shortcomings. Once again, reading primary sources and vetting footnotes is each investigator’s responsibility.

  • Jeremy

    I am an ex-mormon and I have a lot of anger towards the church for all of the lies that they told me, for all of the things that I was deprived of, and for being made to feel guilty unnecessarily. Does anyone else on here relate to that? I’m wondering if mine is a unique experience.

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